since the days of Migs.  Or

"If u want the J-11 so badly, go ask ur dad to bring u to a toy store to get a SU-27 model to poke your body cavity or go see a movie on some sci-fi // world where the SU-27 rule the sky...."  The same with TU-16, aka H-6.  Both Su-27 and TU-16 was getting out of date when PLAAF acquired the assembly right, improvements were made later on. If PLAAF had your mentality its technical knowledge would have gone no where.  A piece of tech is acquired it is a piece of gained.  Did I not posted earlier that price is going to be negotiated(its often jacked up first)?  You keep making jackass out of yourself!  Hopefully my posting is not wasted.