PHOTO: New Electronic Attack JH-7A Fighter-Bomber Variant
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06/21/2009, 08:45:29




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Wednesday, June 17, 2009

Jianjiji Hongzhaji-7A (Fighter-Bomber aircraft 7A)- JH-7A “Growler”

There were a number of reports by Chinese sources suggesting that the JH-7A has been selected to perform an Electronic Attack (EA) role similar to Boeing’s EA-18G Growler which was confirmed by recent CCTV photos. The JH-7A is perfect for the Growler role: it has a twin-engine and a weapon systems officer (WSO) in an elevated rear tandem seat; a large external store load of 6500 kg; a long ferry range of 3650 km, and more importantly, a domestic airframe and electronics suite that can be modified at will.



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Very interesting that the supposed EW pods in those pics look different
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AlectoX

06/21/2009, 09:24:01




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from each other, whereas EA-6B Prowler carries up to 3 identical ALQ-99 EW pods; the EA-18G Growler carries up to 5 such identical pods.





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The pods on an E/A-18 only appear identical
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06/21/2009, 09:58:24




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You don't know what you're talking about. They're all ALQ-99.
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AlectoX

06/21/2009, 10:10:12




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Different bands are programmed into a jammer
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Thalidomide Baby

06/21/2009, 12:48:54




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One jammer cannot handle the entire spectrum. Specific modules are loaded before flight, each requiring it's own jammer pod on the wing.

Related link: http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/ac/equip/an-alq-99.htm


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You're ignoring the point entirely and arguing for nothing
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AlectoX

06/21/2009, 13:35:00




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in order to demonstrate..... nothing. And you're providing no new information that people don't already know. What other reason would an EA aircraft carry multiple ALQ-99 jammer pods for other than to jam different frequencies? The point is that an ALQ-99 set to jam one range of frequencies is the same ALQ-99 set to jam another range of frequencies. That doesn't change no matter what you spindoctor. Does an ALQ-99 set to jam one range of frequencies all of a sudden become NOT an ALQ-99 or require it to have a different designation from an ALQ-99 set to jam another range of frequencies? The answer is no, so you pointing out that multiple ALQ-99s on the same plane will be operating at different frequencies is a total non sequitur.

Even more to the point, while the difference between two different ALQ-99 jammer pods set to different frequencies is essentially nothing, the differences between the two unknown pods on the pictured JH-7A involve dramatic physical differences which even an idiot could pick out. They certainly wouldn't share the same designation as they are clearly different types of pods. I know that you want to demonstrate your knowledge of how multiple jammer pods operate, but you demonstrate it at the expense of being completely irrelevant.






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No, each pod will have different modules installed in them.
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Thalidomide Baby

06/21/2009, 13:58:57




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The modules determine which frequencies a pod can jam. This can't be altered in flight, only on the ground with specific installations.




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He's talking about the OUTSIDE not the INSIDE:
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-Corsair-

06/22/2009, 05:51:54




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The PODS THEMSELVES look different, not the modules or software or whatever inside (which we can't see anyways). Gah, how can you miss the point so badly?





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No Corsair, it is the equipment that is inside that differs
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Thalidomide Baby

06/26/2009, 10:31:17




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Each pod has to be fitted out with distinctly different equipment inside the aerodynamic package in order to jam the frequencies desired. Depending on how many frequencies are to be jammed, an aircraft may have to carry more or fewer jamming pods. Some of these jammers are very very exotic and expensive, but on the outside they all look pretty much the same.




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You're full of horsesh1t. "Some" of these jammers? They're ALL ALQ-99 tweedledum
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AlectoX

06/26/2009, 15:39:10




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ALQ-99's are not ready to go, equipment is added before flight
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Thalidomide Baby

06/28/2009, 11:43:09




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Ok, pay attention lad. A bare ALQ-99 jammer pod must have equipment specific to the frequency band it is to jam installed before flight. An ALQ-99 pod cannot jam every frequency necessary with one equipment fit. Each frequency band requires the fitting of specific equipment for that frequency band, which is why a Growler or Prowler must carry more than one jammer pod on a flight. Each of those identical looking AQQ-99's will be different inside, customized to the frequency each will jam. Does that finally make sense to you?




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You are almost as big a fvcking retard as krackho. I'm serious.
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AlectoX

06/30/2009, 17:47:56




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Son, you sure got some nerve talk like a grown up even when you've already been slapped down several times.

First of all, you haven't provided jack sh1t in terms of evidence describing actual physical equipment going into an ALQ-99 pod prior to take-off. That FAS site you linked doesn't mention any loading of any actual parts. In fact I already said the description sounds more like a software upload than anything else. Now unless you can provide a link that unequivocably states a significant hardware modification is going on, you should go ahead and keep your mouth shut.

SECOND, even if there WAS a hardware modification prior to takeoff you have still missed the point by miles and earned yourself a seat at the CMF Idiot's Table for repeatedly missing the point. The ALQ-99 designation for those pods doesn't change regardless of what software or hardware is loaded onto the things prior to takeoff, while the JH-7A is carrying pods that are so dramatically different that they almost certainly require different designations. Tell me if you can fit the external variations we see in that photo into a pod the size of an ALQ-99. Just in case you're too stupid to know the answer, you can't. Look inside a diagram of the ALQ-99 and educate yourself FFS. The point is that these pods being so dramatically different, may not be jammer pods (or at least one of those pods may not be a jammer pod). Those fins and that bulge certainly are not going to be explainable as serving to jam different frequencies. The inside of the ALQ-99 doesn't have anything remotely similar to that. Which brings me back to the original comparison. The multiple pods that the Growler/Prowler carry are all essentially identical even though they jam different bands, the internal physical differences between them being negligible to nil regardless of how hard you bitch and moan, while even a cursory examination of the JH-7 pods reveals they are vastly different animals and therefore almost certainly serve different purposes rather than different bands. Everybody else did not require this extended explanation and essentially figured out what I was saying right away. That you did not means either you're a complete idiot, or you were caught trying to be a fvcking smart-ass and couldn't stand to see yourself getting dressed down. I suspect the latter scenario is more likely, though the former is also a strong candidate.






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Obviously I'm not going to tell you the precise gear
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Thalidomide Baby

07/08/2009, 17:59:11




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You don't have hands on with it, otherwise you would understand. Deagle hints at the equipment in this web site.

Related link: http://www.deagel.com/Aircraft-Protection-Systems/ANALQ-99-TJS_a000899001.aspx


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Here is another site with some description of what I'm talking about
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Thalidomide Baby

07/08/2009, 18:01:36




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The size of the actual hardware is not hinted at, but believe me you need ground support equipment to lift some of it.

Related link: http://electrosphere.info/index.php?s=a7bef1addcf3c2eae59bac40372e8cb6&showtopic=820&mode=threaded


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I don't know what to tell you. You're a complete loss. You're finished here.
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AlectoX

07/09/2009, 08:39:24




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BTW, your links suck ass. All you can do with them is talk about this "hint" and that "hint" without ANY concrete mentioning of hardware adjustments for different frequency bands prior to takeoff. Oh, and pretend like you have some kind of operational experience that I don't have with ALQ-99 pods. What a joke. Now GTFO. You're done, son.





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Is this the best you can offer Alecto?
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Thalidomide Baby

07/11/2009, 15:47:13




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Of course the exact contents of a jammer pod are not open source information. Why would you expect otherwise? What the articles do tell you is that each pod can jam two bands, out of ten total bands that need to be jammed. The articles also tell you the jammers have to be configured for their missions on the ground. That means they carry band specific gear inside that is swapped depending on which bands are anticipated to be encountered. Aircraft don't carry five jammers as a matter of routine because they need to keep weapons stations available for things like HARM/AARGM and AMRAAM. We can all tell you have no experience with actual military hardware, and calling me names does nothing to lend credibility to your argument. It makes you look bad, not me. It also does nothing to deter me so why do you waste your time? You seem to address every argument by calling people names rather than arguing the merits of your position.




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OMFG you are so full of sh1t it's funny watching you spin like a fvckin idiot.
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AlectoX

07/14/2009, 19:52:02




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"Of course the exact contents of a jammer pod are not open source information."

Oh, how utterly convenient for you.


"What the articles do tell you is that each pod can jam two bands, out of ten total bands that need to be jammed. The articles also tell you the jammers have to be configured for their missions on the ground. That means they carry band specific gear inside that is swapped depending on which bands are anticipated to be encountered."

Horsesh1t. Reading between the lines something that isn't there is either a sign of intellectual dishonesty or mere stupidity, neither of which bode well for you. That the articles say ground-based configuration needs to happen doesn't mean a hardware modification is required. It certainly doesn't mean that they necessarily carry "band specific gear" that needs to be "swapped" depending on target band. That is YOUR conclusion that you tried to wring from the text. Sorry, you lose. Big time.

Not to mention you repeatedly continue to ignore what everybody else seems to have recognized right away in my post, that my comparison was between the ALQ-99 pods of the EA-6B and the significantly different pods of the JH-7A. In fact this is the main point of my post, something everybody else recognized and something which you have consistently ignored in your fantastically failed attempt to sound like a smartass, sounding instead like a total dumbass. Intellectual dishonesty seems to be your hallmark, and other people besides myself have already spat in your virtual face about it. Get a fvcking clue.


"We can all tell you have no experience with actual military hardware, and calling me names does nothing to lend credibility to your argument. It makes you look bad, not me."

I'm sorry, did I miss something? When have I ever claimed to have experience with military hardware, you moron? I'm an academic, a physician. I've never been on a warship or inside a fighter in my life. But it does sound like your ass is claiming to have such experience, am I right? Something you haven't claimed all this time you've been here, but now all of a sudden you want to claim some "military hardware" creds? Hahahaha what a fvcking joke. You amuse me, kid.


"It also does nothing to deter me so why do you waste your time?"

Deter you from what? Being a fvcking idiot? Not a single person on this planet could deter you from that, but that's not what I'm doing. I'm pointing out to everyone at CMF every time you open your piehole that you are in fact stupid, and I think every last person who has followed this thread has agreed with me. Scroll up, retard, if you forgot what other people here think of your posting in this thread. :)


"You seem to address every argument by calling people names rather than arguing the merits of your position."

And you seem to think that repeating the same horsesh1t that you lost ten posts ago will somehow score you a moral victory if you keep perserverating on it like a retard. Nobody is on your side. Knock, knock, retard. Time to wake up, smell the coffee, and drink the Drano, retard.






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With a disposition like yours I'm to believe you're a physician?
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Thalidomide Baby

07/18/2009, 12:23:17




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What, are you a proctologist? You certainly don't treat patients like that I hope! Or maybe you do.
Btw, my "conclusion" regarding band specific gear is based on hands on with the equipment.




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It really doesn't matter what you believe, retard.
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AlectoX

07/18/2009, 12:42:24




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"What, are you a proctologist? You certainly don't treat patients like that I hope! Or maybe you do."

Certainly not, my patients love me. On the other hand, this does not stop me from positively and repeatedly affirming that you are in fact a moron.


"Btw, my "conclusion" regarding band specific gear is based on hands on with the equipment."

Holy sh1t is this what you're down to, retard? You are now going to claim that you even work "hands on" with the equipment? You truly are one piece of work. You are far more pathetic than I could have possibly imagined. LOL






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At least Rotorhead has the integrity not to pretend to be Chinese
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07/05/2009, 14:33:27




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Is it almost as bad that he's pretending to Australian?
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07/09/2009, 08:40:20




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LOL, way to avoid all of alecto's points. Face it, you lost.
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06/21/2009, 17:07:14




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Now you're just being a little b*tch. Man up and admit that you jumped into a conversation trying to sound intelligent, missed the point completely, and are now thoroughly embarrassed.





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Yes, you ARE an idiot.
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AlectoX

06/21/2009, 14:21:24




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"The basic system would be contained in standard ALQ-99 jammer pods that provide a preemptive jamming capability against all threats in all directions. Ground-based mission planning would determine the jamming requirements and would be preloaded prior to aircraft takeoff. The system would be installed with minimal impact to the host aircraft and could be quickly converted between a support jamming platform and its primary role (fighter or strike aircraft)."

What module? Sounds like software program modification to me.

And like a stuttering idiot who knows he's lost the argument but wants to keep arguing so that he doesn't have to admit defeat, you simply ignore the other side. I ask you again: even if there WAS a different module for different frequencies, would this modified pod become something other than an ALQ-99? The answer is NO and your stupid ass knows it. I was contrasting multiple ALQ-99 pods on a Growler/Prowler with the obviously different pods on the JH-7A. Instead of understanding the contrast, you tried to be a smartass about it, and utterly and miserably failed in the attempt.






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There are hardware changes involved
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Thalidomide Baby

06/26/2009, 14:26:49




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It requires more than just software programming. There are some very heavy items that are unique to certain frequencies that must be loaded before flight. These give you the ability to switch frequencies within a range, but the range is limited. Each band has different equipment installed in a basic jammer housing. For full spectrum jamming multiple jamming pods are carried, each with different equipment inside unique to the frequency band they jam.




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Yeah, horsesh1t.
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