The beautiful HangZhou hit by snow storm. Chaotic but I love it!
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SHscholar

02/06/2008, 06:28:33




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Apparently the people of Hangzhou weren't prepared for the snow, due to all these BS about pollution and global warming.

As u can see, the streets are chaotic. But it is just so beautiful, a rare view of Hangzhou.



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Why not use snow thrower machine not just bulldozer. It is much more efficient.
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edl

02/06/2008, 10:51:27




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I think.





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They might not have snow throwers
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BBC

02/06/2008, 22:41:22




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as such type of weather is unheard of in the past 50 years, the authorities might not have suitable snow clearing equipment.





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With Global Weather Extremes (GWE?, Shorty sorry) snow throwers shld best be
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edl

02/07/2008, 05:10:45




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in stock and ready for such emergency. It looks more efficient to clear out a pathway for auto, traffic and airport runway.

I saw people using bulldozers, scoops, shovels, picks and even makeshift wood implements looking much like wood palettes to bulldoze pathways. Looks very tedious and time consuming but at least that is some remedy for the time being. Also they may need rapid emergency response teams that can bring in such snow throwers or even better equipments from other nations in an emergency.






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(GWE?, Shorty sorry): No prob
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Short takes

02/07/2008, 10:43:00




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Weather extremes are expected from time to time regardless of the overall climate trend. I see in Midwest they got more than a foot of snow..but New York was at 70 degrees F at the same time.
Trying to equate GWE's to an actual climate trend or pattern (unless you are seeing alot of these GWEs over a broad geographic range for an extended period) would be akin to saying the 2004 tsunami was proof of rising sea levels.
On the otherhand, these GWEs can be cyclic and normal in nature. For instance, historical records show that the Nile River actually froze over in 829AD and 1010AD (this coincides with an aproximate 200 year climate cycle that happens to follow the same 200 year solar cycle. Following this 200 year trend cycle and you find we are in the right timeframe for cold extremes. Note the current dead quiet of the sun and recent snow events in Isreal, Baghdad, Terhan, mid-southern China, and the summertime snow that occurred in South America, South Africa, and Oz.
Again, the problem with trying to say whats a geologic trend and whats a shorter natural cycle.

As for your idea of rapid response teams..that would be good except you have to consider the airports may be closed due to the bad weather so you wouldn't be able to get in their in any time to help anyways.
A bulldozer/shovel makes an adequate snow clearing device (the typical snow plow mounted to trucks for winter snow clearing are essentially light weight dozer blades mounted to a trucks bumber frame)...especially for areas that don't often see snow. Why pay a bunch of money for something that MAY be used only once or twice a year (not to mention the operator) when alternative methods exist?
Now, if this type of weather continues and looks like it will set a pattern of being the winter normal...then a sumertime purchase of actual snow removal equipment should be looked at. Cheaper to buy in summer and gives you a 4 month window to train operators.
In China's case they would be suited for use and maintaining by the various PLA bases since the PLA is ofthen used as China's version of States Guard units in the US.
If this was just a freek area/time of GWE...use what you have and save the money for rebuilding.






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Speaking of the subject...new article.
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Short takes

02/08/2008, 05:03:14




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Remember the pics i posted that showed the differences in the sun from 2002 and 2008.
Looks like some other people are taking notice.
These points are real telling:
For instance, researchers at the Max Planck Institute for Solar Research in Germany report the sun has been burning more brightly over the last 60 years, accounting for the 1 degree Celsius increase in Earth's temperature over the last 100 years.

CO2 variations show little correlation with our planet's climate on long, medium and even short time scales.

"Solar activity has overpowered any effect that CO2 has had before, and it most likely will again," Patterson says. "If we were to have even a medium-sized solar minimum, we could be looking at a lot more bad effects than 'global warming' would have had."

The study says that "try as we might, we simply could not find any relationship between industrial activity, energy consumption and changes in global temperatures."
The study concludes that if you shut down all the world's power plants and factories, "there would not be much effect on temperatures."


On a side note...whats the REAL word on the winter rice crop? I heard it was pretty well ruined by the extreme weather.


Related link: The Sun Also Sets



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I think the largest (Sun) and closest (moon) could both be the heavy Global
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edl

02/08/2008, 08:16:00




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impact makers. Both planetary bodies may represent what ancient Chinese said Ying (the Moon) and Yang (the Sun). They may be interacting between the two. The sun like you and the scientists see can have very heavy impact but do not underestimate Moon the closest heavenly body, the tide and even lady folks' fertility cycles seem to be in synch with Moon phases. So, so many things we do not know and we are still barely unraveling the links and wonders. The more we know the more we know we do not know!

So instead of nations fighting 'pettily' for resources, properties, territories, this interests and that, etc. should work together as much as possible to unravel these phenomena and learn the real truths in the universe. Remember fighting so hard for all these tangible or intangible but impermanent things will come to nothing for everyone when we realized we all are marching each day closer to the day of each of our death. With death, those properties are senseless because the dead person will not have the required senses to discern and either enjoy or lament. LOL!






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I read ur post twice just2give u the benefit of doubt but it was a waste of time
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ChairmanMAOhamet

02/17/2008, 20:28:48




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I simply can't find anything coherent. I must say you are more f**k up than I thought.





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It is because you only believe what you want to believe and want to impose your
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edl

02/20/2008, 11:58:43




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obstinate views on others. So you can say you are are dumb, and dictatorially stubborn stupid. Just because you do not believe you want other to follow you impose your wills if you can.

No open mind so becoming very Stupid dull minded and so lacking in basic General knowledge. Which one comes first egg or chicken? Closed minded or Lack of General knowledge, maybe both come together at the same time. LMAO. Good or Worst? People should learn to stop dealing with you two before we contract your self centered moronic delusional disease. So contagious. Yuck! STFU.






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I loled when I read this post!
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-Corsair-

02/16/2008, 18:40:53




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The tides "seem" to be connected with the moon? Did you ever go to high school, even an American high school?

Is this some sincere but debased effort at trolling, or are you merely joking with us? I'm asking a serious question to you, as your posts are so incoherent that it is really hard to tell.






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Such ignorant persons, No wonder I faced such chaos. no knowing tide is caiused
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edl

02/20/2008, 11:16:18




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by moon. Ask any knowledgeable person if Tide is Just like Galileo's statement of Earth revolving around the Sun was put down. Unless you both are know-all you can not disprove anything.

Just like the Church could not disprove the Galileo's statement of Earth revolving around the Sun. My post is for Short takes not for you two morons. Study more and be more knowledgeable before you open your big stupid ugly smelly mouths. STFU!

LMAO! Cocksair, I really did not know you lack such such very basic Scientific and General knowledge, Read more below: ..

Lunar Tides

The tides at a given place in the Earth's oceans occur about an hour later each day. Since the Moon passes overhead about an hour later each day, it was long suspected that the Moon was associated with tides. Newton's Law of Gravitation provided a quantitative understanding of that association.
Differential Forces
Consider a water molecule in the ocean. It is attracted gravitationally by the Earth, but it also experiences a much smaller gravitational attraction from the Moon (much smaller because the Moon is much further away and much less massive than the Earth). But this gravitational attraction of the Moon is not limited to the water molecules; in fact, the Moon exerts a gravitational force on every object on and in the Earth. Tides occur because the Earth is a body of finite extent and these forces are not uniform: some parts of the Earth are closer to the Moon than other parts, and since the gravitational force drops off as the inverse square distance, those parts experience a larger gravitational tug from the Moon than parts that are further away.

In this situation, which is illustrated schematically in the adjacent figure, we say that differential forces act on the body (the Earth in this example). The effect of differential forces on a body is to distort the body. The body of the Earth is rather rigid, so such distortion effects are small (but finite). However, the fluid in the Earth's oceans is much more easily deformed and this leads to significant tidal effects.
A Simple Tidal Model
We may illustrate the basic idea with a simple model of a planet completely covered by an ocean of uniform depth, with negligible friction between the ocean and the underlying planet, as illustrated in the adjacent figure. The gravitational attraction of the Moon produces two tidal bulges on opposite sides of the Earth.

Without getting too much into the technical details, there are two bulges because of the differential gravitational forces. The liquid at point A is closer to the Moon and experiences a larger gravitational force than the Earth at point B or the ocean at point C. Because it experiences a larger attraction, it is pulled away from the Earth, toward the Moon, thus producing the bulge on the right side. Loosely, we may think of the bulge on the left side as arising because the Earth is pulled away from the water on that side because the gravitational force exerted by the Moon at point B is larger than that exerted at point C. Then, as our idealized Earth rotates under these bulges, a given point on the surface will experience two high and two low tides for each rotation of the planet.
More Realistic Tidal Models
The realistic situation is considerably more complicated:

1. The Earth and Moon are not static, as depicted in the preceding diagram, but instead are in orbit around the common center of mass for the system.

2. The Earth is not covered with oceans, the oceans have varying depths, and there is substantial friction between the oceans and the Earth.

These make a more realistic description much more complicated, but the essential ideas remains as illustrated in the preceding diagram. Here are realtime links to the present tidal conditions in San Francisco Bay and Houston-Galveston and here is a link to a set of graphs for the tidal levels over current 24-hour periods for various tidal stations. Notice in comparing these graphs the differences in the detailed tidal fluctuations for different locations (for example, compare the graph for Tacoma, Washington, with that for South Pass, Louisiana). These differences are produced by the complicating factors mentioned above.
Spring Tides and Neap Tides
Another complication of a realistic model is that not only the Moon, but other objects in the Solar System, influence the Earth's tides. For most their tidal forces are negligible on Earth, but the differential gravitational force of the Sun does influence our tides to some degree (the effect of the Sun on Earth tides is less than half that of the Moon).

Competition between the Sun and Moon in producing tides.


For example, particularly large tides are experienced in the Earth's oceans when the Sun and the Moon are lined up with the Earth at new and full phases of the Moon. These are called spring tides (the name is not associated with the season of Spring). The amount of enhancement in Earth's tides is about the same whether the Sun and Moon are lined up on opposite sides of the Earth (full Lunar phase) or on the same side (new Lunar phase). Conversely, when the Moon is at first quarter or last quarter phase (meaning that it is located at right angles to the Earth-Sun line), the Sun and Moon interfere with each other in producing tidal bulges and tides are generally weaker; these are called neap tides. The figure shown above illustrates spring and neap tides.
Tidal Coupling and Gravitational Locking
We have introduced tides in terms of the effect of the Moon on the Earth's oceans, but the effect is much more general, and has a number of important consequences that we will discuss further below. For example, as a consequence of tidal interactions with the Moon, the Earth is slowly decreasing its rotational period and eventually the Earth and Moon will have exactly the same rotational period, and these will also exactly equal the orbital period. Thus, billions of years from now the Earth will always keep the same face turned toward the Moon, just as the Moon already always keeps the same face turned toward the Earth.

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Related link: http://csep10.phys.utk.edu/astr161/lect/time/tides.html



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Snow throwers are expensive machines and you need to maintain them
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BBC

02/07/2008, 05:49:37




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for a municipality, they have to weigh the investment value, especially since such freak weather happenns every 50 years.





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Look at the examples of Portland OR or Seattle WA
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Rotorhead

02/07/2008, 08:12:46




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The occasions when they are hit with a major snow storm are infrequent so they don't have the snow removal equipment of someplace like Boston. When they do get buried everyone stays home.




The pilot is always the first person at the scene of the crash.

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Southern China sees much less snow than Wash or Oregon
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BBC

02/07/2008, 08:20:10




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It hardly snows in Hunan and Hubei. It's like snowing in the Houston area. In Zhejiang and Jiangsu, they normally see a couple of cms per season and they melt away quickly.





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How often does it snow there?
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Rotorhead

02/06/2008, 06:42:34




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I can't see how environmental considerations affect a city's reponse to a freak event like a snowstorm in a sub-tropical city.




The pilot is always the first person at the scene of the crash.

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It snows but almost never accumulate. So people here usually consider it
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SHscholar

02/06/2008, 08:01:12




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raining. Many environmentalists here whine constantly about how we're never going to see snow again. Bullshit. Infact, there is a recent PNAS paper which showed that the recent global warming is really just due to the overall climate fluctuate of the earth. Pollution has nothing to do with it.





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That is what Shorty is always insisting. It could be right, but we still have to
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edl

02/06/2008, 10:45:34




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be watchful but lacking long empirical history as necessary in Climatology, there may not be a whole lot to go by to know for sure.





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my hometown is there around that region
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dipping_meatball

02/06/2008, 07:27:56




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normally it snows during the winter time, not as bad as this year, but snowing is not a surprise during the winter.





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My hometown too
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BBC

02/06/2008, 09:03:50




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In Jiangsu, not Zhejiang. My parents said there use to be snow accumulation in the old days. Of course that became a rare occurence in the past 50 years.





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i from jiang su too,
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dipping_meatball

02/06/2008, 09:10:03




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city of Zhen Jiang, i still remember when i was little, we used to do snow wars in winter.





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My hometown is Wuxi
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BBC

02/06/2008, 09:19:30




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My parents were born in Wuxi but went to Shanghai as teenagers. They witnessed the Sino-Japanese war and went down to HKG in 1948. I still have relatives in Wuxi.





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Did you
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Khan

02/06/2008, 21:04:13




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grow up in Hong Kong?





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Yes
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BBC

02/06/2008, 21:59:45




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Spent first 6 years there, then 12 in West Africa. US college educated and spent most of my working life in HKG (over past 7 years, travelling and based everywhere on the Globe like Singapore, Johannesburg, Tel Aviv, China, Southern France, Hamburg etc.). I do a 2 week trip to China every year. I visit Shanghai (my home) and HKG (2nd Home) once every month, sometimes twice. France is my current temporary home.





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You are a true
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Khan

02/07/2008, 17:33:13




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"citizen of the world"!





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2 hrs away.
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dipping_meatball

02/06/2008, 10:32:17




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i have lots of relatives in shang hai, and wu-xi is on the way to shang hai right after chang zhou, 2 hrs away. it's sweet pork rips were the best.





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Most of my father's relatives live in Changzhou nowadays
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BBC

02/06/2008, 21:03:48




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Wuxi is now slightly over an hour from Zhenjiang on the expressway. Great black rice vinegar from Zhenjiang though.





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