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02/05/2008, 05:43:22




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China inflation causes economic woe

By Lindsay Beck
Mon Feb 4, 8:05 PM ET


CHONGQING, China (Reuters) - China is supposed to be getting richer, but for Liu Gaohua, rising prices on everything from cabbages to houses mean life is only getting tougher.


"It's hard to get by day-to-day," said the resident of Chongqing, a western Chinese industrial city on the upper reaches of the Yangtze river.

"We eat less pork than before. Before, we would eat it every day. Now it's just too expensive. We eat it about every third or fourth day," he said.

Liu, who works in the railway industry and is married with a 14-year-old son, is typical of those being squeezed hardest by soaring prices -- the lower middle-class urban residents far from China's wealthier coastal cities.

With consumer prices rising at their fastest rate in 11 years, China's inflation is not only a sign of economic woes, it has become a political challenge for a leadership worried that any slowdown will erode its support and trigger instability.

President Hu Jintao, Premier Wen Jiabao and their team of economic policy-makers find themselves caught between the goals of their reform programme and their need to step in to moderate prices and ward off the specter of social unrest that has haunted every generation of China's Communist rulers.

Inflation figures have been disproportionately affected by rising food costs, especially staples like pork and cooking oil, leading some economists to predict the rises would not last.

But others say Hu and Wen might be victims of the very success of their programme to build a "harmonious society."

The term has become a catch-phrase referring to a model of more moderate growth that seeks to account for costs previously overlooked, from worker safety to environmental protection.

An emphasis on work safety means smaller coal mines are being shut down, a campaign on food and product safety has taken some of the cheaper -- and more harmful -- pesticides and fertilizers off the shelves and a crackdown on polluters is forcing factories to install better equipment.

Wages are also rising as the reservoir of surplus labor begins to be mopped up.

But all of that reflects a broader adjustment in the economy that could mean higher prices will not quickly abate.

"There's obviously mounting costs all along the way," said Matthew Crabbe, managing director of consumer research group Access Asia.

"The problem is how they balance the cost of creating that more harmonious society, whether it's pollution controls or increasing the income of rural China. There's a very fine balancing act there," he said.

STEPPING IN

For some residents, the benefit of those policies that aim to save lives, curb environmental degradation and create a more equitable society, are being obscured by the only immediate consequence they see: the effect on their pocket-books.

Li, a 52-year-old housewife, complains that she pays about 15 yuan per half kilo of pork, compared with six yuan a year ago.

It was in a supermarket here in Chongqing that three people were killed in a November supermarket stampede as they scrambled for cut-price cooking oil.

Housing prices in the gritty port city are also soaring.

Li, who only gave her surname, said houses in Chongqing were going for around 7,000 yuan per square meter, compared to about 1,200 per square meter a few years ago.

"We have no means to get by," she said.

Her friend, joining her in a game of cards in a chilly temple courtyard tucked away from the city's bustle, chimed in.

"Wages are rising but the price of food is going up much faster," said the woman, surnamed Tan. "Our demands, our wishes, are that the government controls this. They shouldn't let prices rise too high."

For now, they aren't.

The government stepped in earlier this month, announcing it would "temporarily intervene" in the market to prevent excessive price rises, harkening back to China's planned economy days.

"Essentially, the government is saying, where possible, and especially if you are a state utility, don't raise prices and contribute to these worries," said Dali Yang, director of Singapore's East Asian Institute.

In the past few weeks, the Education Ministry has also weighed in with temporary subsidies for student canteens, and Vice Premier Hui Liangyu called for stricter implementation of farming subsidies and preferential policies for rural workers.

PLAYING TO THE MASSES

The policy moves play to the image Wen has cultivated for himself as a man of the people. But the strategy, while appeasing the masses, is not without risks.

"The worry is, if you impose those price controls you may distort the price situation and let deformities increase over time," said Dali Yang, director of Singapore's East Asian Institute.

But without controls, the specter of social unrest looms.

Inflation is often cited as a reason the Nationalist government lost the civil war to Communists in 1948-49. Market relaxations in 1988 caused sharp price rises that were seen as contributing to discontent that culminated in the Tiananmen Square demonstrations a year later.

Both are worrying reminders of the link between prices and instability, especially as the country prepares to host the 2008 Olympics in Beijing this August.

If prices keep rising, people across the vast country may begin to vent their frustration.

"In China, 70 to 80 percent of the people are poor and live in the countryside," said factory manager Wu Xijun, 37. "If GDP is going up but prices are too, the economic growth is meaningless to people."

(Editing by Megan Goldin)


Related link: http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20080205/lf_nm/china_inflation_dc_1



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What's really amazing is how long it took this to happen.
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ye

02/05/2008, 09:39:54




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Rapid growth brings inflation, that's just common economic sense. Yet China has had at least 5 years of breakneck double-digit growth along with very low inflation of only 1% - 2%. Now that's good economic management! I laugh everytime when the Western so-called "experts" have the gall to give China economic "advice". Try to take care of your own house first!





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How can anyone eat pork everyday ? Thats disgusting.
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Diablo

02/05/2008, 09:50:45




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Fake outrage...lmao Nothing you post here is real or should be believed
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dchen

02/06/2008, 07:22:49




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Why not?
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Khan

02/05/2008, 18:07:05




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Chinese pork is the meat of "white skin pigs"!





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U're f**kup.Literally billions eat bacon,ham,pork&pork sausage on a daily basis
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ChairmanMAOhamet

02/05/2008, 17:23:10




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what's wrong with eating pork? tokyo topless becomes muslim topless
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dipping_meatball

02/05/2008, 10:00:05




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Are U a muslim? LOL.
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BBC

02/05/2008, 09:59:49




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Germans are big pork eaters, so are Southern Whites in the US. Pork knuckle or Pork Schnitzel, anyone? LOL.





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Greasy meat, its okay once a week but everyday ? Yuck..
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Diablo

02/05/2008, 10:12:22




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Greasy meat? German and Southern US way of cooking, yes
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BBC

02/05/2008, 10:18:43




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not Chinese, many Chinese pork dishes uses lean meat. Unlike the unhealthy German pork knuckle and deep fried Schnitzels. The Western diet is also very pork heavy. Just look at American breakfasts with Bacon and sausages. You sound like an Indian friend of mine though, with regards to aversion of eating pork or meats in general. LOL.





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You want greasy food? Go to France.
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Rotorhead

02/06/2008, 09:46:12




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Want to starve a Frenchman? Take his frying pan away. Grossly over rated cooking in France.
Germany was all pork ( swinesteak on one menu I recall ) and potatoes.




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Don't let those lousy Paris Tourist traps fool you
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BBC

02/06/2008, 10:03:39




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having lived in America and currently in France. I can tell you French food is way better than American food. Just look at French women compared to American women. LOL. French salads are light and lack the heavy dressing of American salad. The duck specialities in this part of France beats those fatty American steaks anytime of the day. Foie Gras is out of this world. American deserts don't even come close to the Ile Flottants and Creme Brulee. The French know how to eat, Americans eat greasy fast food. No comparison whatsover.





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Yesterday you lived in HK, last week it was Shanghai, you are a BS artist
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Rotorhead

02/06/2008, 10:27:41




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Your posts are worthless. You lie like a rug, nothing you say is the truth. Every post you pretend to live in a different city.




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rolf

02/07/2008, 07:13:14




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Go talk to Corsair and ask him to verify my IPs
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BBC

02/06/2008, 21:13:51




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As I said, I earn way more more money than you do. LOL. I have a great lifestyle, walking the Rambla of Barcelona one day, a meeting at Paris or Hamburg the next, enjoying skiing in the Alps another weekend, eating seafood in the Riviera, spending off days at my primary home in Shanghai and dropping by in HKG to sort out some business. I even have time to go to Capetown and Amman, and side trips to the UK, US West Coast, Singapore and Kuala Lumpur. I might even drop by in Sydney to say hi to Predicate. I will be publishing photos of my travels on CMF soon. My lifestyle is definitely much superior to your typical American existence. I will ski in the Alps again in 2 weeks (the posh Courchevel), then off to Beijing via Paris for a couple of days to see a Chinese TCM doctor, whilst having dinner with one of China's most decorated Olympic champions, then returning to HKG for another 2 days. Then off to Amman, Jordan to see Petra in early March. LOL.





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So what exactly is your job? International marketing?
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Loquacist

02/07/2008, 08:18:04




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Jump into the middle of things, get your hands dirty, fall flat on your face, and then reach for the stars.

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My job requires me to travel a lot
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BBC

02/07/2008, 08:24:27




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and the perks and pay package is good. I am a consultant.





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Sounds like a sweet job.
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Loquacist

02/07/2008, 08:26:26




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Jump into the middle of things, get your hands dirty, fall flat on your face, and then reach for the stars.

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Just work hard and know when to party when you have to
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BBC

02/07/2008, 10:13:24




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Sometimes the travelling can get to you, especially the 5 day 3 cities inter-continental trip. In the past, I did quite a few 1 day meeting in London from HKG. Aircraft arrives in London at 6 am, gets to meeting and take nite flt back to HKG. Those were the worst. Since I am a consultant, I can surf CMF quite liberally, with no boss watching my back.





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Definitely make the most of the perks, indeed.
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montyp165

02/07/2008, 12:53:11




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No Chinese internet censorship in France is there? If that's where you live
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Rotorhead

02/06/2008, 10:42:22




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All your BS about being able to use the internet without interference in China and then you tell us you live in Franc, or is it Hong Kong as you maintain in a post below. You cannot even BS effectively can you. FFS BBC, FFS.




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Go get a life. LOL.
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BBC

02/06/2008, 22:01:31




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I ate in working class cafeteria's or in small run down towns on the road
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Rotorhead

02/06/2008, 10:21:03




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I spent two days in a small moderately priced Paris hotel but otherwise went for guest houses or ate at places well off the beaten track. I was on my bike so I wasn't part of the tourist groove. I came there from Germany strictly for the Paris Airshow, then went straight to Le Harve for the ferry to the UK. Cripes, even the French deserts had a greasy sheen on them. Everything had fat on it and was greasy. I probably had the worst steak of my life in Le Harve. Btw, you can have your French women. One very young woman ( maybe only 19 ) almost made me hurl at dinner one night. She was my server. Hairy pits and major body odor, I mean putrid. This was in a small farm town between Stasbourg and Paris on the N-11 highway. The meal was lousy too. Nope, I would starve living in France, if I didn't go broke first. If you think any duck dish is less fatty than a good steak then you are on drugs! Fois gras is pure fat. What is it BBC, a fatty duck liver, horribly unhealthy.
Austria and Italy had excellent food, as did the Netherlands ( terrific Italian resaurant ).




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French cafeterias are definitely better than American cafetaerias LOL
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BBC

02/07/2008, 01:03:11




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You don't base a country's cuisine on cafeteria food. TRy the French Cote De Boef (Charolais). I will starve in the USA, with the horrid fast food culture. LOL.





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I don't eat fast food very often either, but Italy has Europe's best food
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Rotorhead

02/08/2008, 11:46:51




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I probably had the best chicken cordon bleu in my life in Merthyr Tydfil of all places. Germany and Netherlands had all sorts of great restaurants and the prices were reasonable. Twice I'v been to France and both times I disliked the food. French food prices are ridiculous. French meats that I was served all were way fatty and greasy. The best I could do was to go to the Viniprix and buy stuff from the deli. To each his own. Italy still has the best food going, and much of it is healthier than most other European cuisine, lots of chicken, vegetable and either arborio or carnaroli rices. Ever had good risotto? Beats anything from France.




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Yes, I like Italian
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BBC

02/10/2008, 09:18:14




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and French too.





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A tale of 2 cities
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BBC

02/06/2008, 10:08:00




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OK, a city vrs a town. Pretty much tells you the food culture of both countries, or concisely how greasy and frying pan-dependent the cuisine is.


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And people wear burkas in the parts of Paris I rode through.
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Rotorhead

02/06/2008, 10:25:08




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I rode in through the industrial fringes of Paris where it looks more like Tijuana than any major western city. Eight lane freeways and big industrial areas interspersed with depressing high rise slums. Most of Paris is awful.




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They are much better than US inner city slums
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BBC

02/06/2008, 22:18:02




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The US have a higher gini index than France. Paris is one of the most beautiful cities in the world. The Bronx does not define NYC. Watts don't define LA. Have you been to Dearborn, Michigan? Burqas galore. LOL. BTW, French women do shave and they aren't fat fast food guzzling chicks.





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blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah FFS
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Rotorhead

02/07/2008, 08:18:22




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You don't know squat about any of those places. Three different posts and claims to live in three different cities. You've never been to any of them. FFS BBC, nothing you say is worth a dime.




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Go ask Corsair
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BBC

02/07/2008, 08:25:59




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LOL. Just because you have a miserable existence does mean we are like U.





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I have a great life because I don't have to remember my various lies
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Rotorhead

02/07/2008, 11:40:14




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A clear conscience and no deception make life really really easy. When you tell the truth you don't have to recall what lie you told to who. It's a lesson you could learn BBC.




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Predator: One is more enslaved when he truely believes he's free
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BBC

02/07/2008, 20:55:51




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THat comment suits you perfectly.





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Port is white meat. Leaner than chicken. Just trim out the fat part.
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Predator

02/05/2008, 10:16:37




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You have to pay more...
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BBC

02/05/2008, 08:03:16




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including your favorite toy. LOL. Trying to link the hyper-inflation of the Nationalist era with current inflation is meaningless. Things can not stay cheap forever.





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starting

02/05/2008, 07:43:22




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"If prices keep rising, people across the vast country may begin to vent their frustration."

Peasants hijacking the DF-21 nuclear missles? and nuking the crap out of JAps Ti'ers, Half Indians who are half European?






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Some of this may be the cost of buying US debt
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Rotorhead

02/05/2008, 07:51:23




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Since the purhcase of US debt keeps the value of the US Dollar artificially high, Chinese business earn more on their US sales than they would with a free floating Rinimbi. This cash is flowing into the Chinese economy and contributing to a part of this inflation. A similar thing happened in Japan but there the inflation manifested itself in the real estate and equity markets. In China neither market is as well developed as in Japan so now we see some inflation showing up in the consumer market. This is predictable.




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