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Posted by: A_H_Ch R 05/03/2001, 06:03:56 Author Profile |
what's a modern digital FBW system?
How does a FBW of an f16 eagle varies from a mig29.What are the salient differences?
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Posted by: z R 05/09/2001, 17:37:12 Author Profile |
Original FBW is analog, mathematically, the voltage graph looks like a sin curve. Digitized FBW (DFBW) uses 2 digits, 0 & 1 to represent low & hi, so mathematically, the voltage graph is consisted of 2 parallel broken lines, one being 0, & the other being 1. Anything that's not these 2 r rejected, so DFBW is more resistant to interference. Original F-16 used analog FBW, so the original 8 European nations that uses F-16 prohibits their F-16 from flying too close to radio broadcasting towers, cuz interference was too strong & may lead to crash. DFBW is governed by military standard of USA, the MIL-STD-1553. In addition to replacing analog signal w/ digital ones in the Cu wire, DFW includes Fly By Light (FBL) & Fly By Optics (FBO). Both of these replace Cu wire w/ fiber optics, & using laser to pass info, also in the form of 1 & 0. The advantage of using fiber optics & laser is that it's totally immune to electromagnetic pulse interference, such as those produced by nuke explosion or lightning. Fiber optic is governed by military standard of USA, the MIL-STD-1773, & like MIL-STD-1553, it is internationally accepted standard. The difference between FBL & FBO is that the former only includes flight control (FBW replacing the hydraulic-mechanical control), while FBO also including using fiber optics in navigation, namely, in the Inertial Navigation System (INS), in addition to flight control. FBO uses fiber-optic gyro while FBL uses laser gyro. Advantage of optic gyro over laser gyro is that due to the phyical property of light, when light entering at angles less than the critical value, it disappears, laser gyro has this problem. Optic gyro has all the advantage of laser gyro, but doesn't have this problem, cuz in optic gyro, laser is contineously reflected w/i the fiber optics, thus avoiding the problem. However, optic gyro is extremely difficult to make, & currently, only USA can make it, Littion Industries, to be exact, the only company in the world, while several European nations can make laser gyro. Later versions of F-16 & its upgrades incorporated DFBW/FBL system, which is superior than FBW system of MiG-29, which only has analog FBW, furthermore, MiG-29's FBW system only controls part of the aircraft, not the entire aircraft like F-16. |
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Posted by: A_H_Ch R [to z] 05/12/2001, 02:58:00 Author Profile |
Hello zz: my friend has put up a question: "The F-15E OTOH uses only partial FBW for its
However despite all this, I believe the F-15E is said to not have a complete FBW
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Posted by: A_H_Ch R [to z] 05/11/2001, 00:43:34 Author Profile |
Hello zz: how are you? Continuation to your reply of FBW/FBO system:
However despite all this, I believe the F-15E is said to not have a complete FBW
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Posted by: A_H_Ch R [to A_H_Ch] 05/21/2001, 01:45:43 Author Profile |
Asslam-O-Alaikum [hello] zz:
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Posted by: MH R 05/10/2001, 05:48:09 Author Profile |
Original FBW is analog, mathematically, the voltage graph looks like a sin curve. The textbook definition (or as close to it as I can remember - getting old) of an analog system is one in which the value of an electrical signal is directly analogous to a quantity in the physical world it represents. A common example would be the traditional stereo. The signal coming out of our amp is an analog representation of the music. In analog FBW, control and feedback signals between the cockpit and control surfaces are carried more or less like z described. However, voltage is not necessarily used. Current loops are used in industrial applications because it is more resistant to EMI. I don't know if any FBW uses that technique, though. I'm not sure whether these signals are digitized by the FBW computer for calculation purposes. I would guess so because it would be quite difficult to build an analog computer to handle the load, especially in a relaxed stability design. Digitized FBW (DFBW) uses 2 digits, 0 & 1 to represent low & hi, so mathematically, the voltage graph is consisted of 2 parallel broken lines, one being 0, & the other being 1. Anything that's not these 2 r rejected, To be precise, two voltage ranges are defined for 0 and 1 respectively. If you don't have enough tolerance, it's not gonna work. so DFBW is more resistant to interference. More importantly, the digital channel allows the use of error correction coding. Even if a message is corrupted due to EMI, it can be detected and repaired or rejected accordingly. the advantage of using fiber optics & laser is that it's totally immune to electromagnetic pulse interference The optical link may be immune, but the fiber-optic transceivers and the rest of the electronics are still equally susceptible to EMI and must be protected. Use of fiber just moved the weakest link somewhere else in the system.
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Posted by: A_H_Ch R 05/10/2001, 02:13:27 Author Profile |
hello:
where could i find a comprehensive and detailed structure of the FBW.Your reply is really very informative.Thanks a lot. Are u an aeronautical engineer?
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Posted by: z R 05/11/2001, 07:17:54 Author Profile |
just read Jane's Information Group Publications a lot. Acutally, I'm a quality assurance engineer in aerospace/aeronautic industry, mostly involving avionics. As for comprehensive info, Jane's Information Group is a very good source, which has many publications, & the 2 u should look r: 1). Jane's all the World's Aircraft 2). Jane's avionics both r annual publications. |
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Posted by: A_H_Ch R 05/13/2001, 04:13:21 Author Profile |
Hello zz:could u explain this:
"The F-15E OTOH uses only partial FBW for its onboard Control Augmentation System (CAS), Automatic Flight Control System (AFCS), and Pitch Trim Compensator (PTC). The CAS stabilizes G-forces during normal flight while the PTC as the name suggest, trims the aircraft to maintain level flight without any pilot input. AFCS adjusts for unbalanced weapon or fuel loads, or engine malfunctions as well as aircraft performance under difference sped and altitudes. Meaning that the pilot will get the same response from the aircraft when he pulls on his flight stick at 300 knots/1,000ft, then when he does the same at 600kts/30,000ft. Pretty cool if you think about. The pilot no longer has to worry about the regular nuances of flight in a non-FBW aircraft. However despite all this, I believe the F-15E is said to not have a complete FBW system.
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Posted by: z R 05/14/2001, 08:37:01 Author Profile |
depending on how the range of FBW is set. What we mean FBW usually means the system that is directly used for controlling surfaces, other systems such as INS, PTC, etc. r not included, and these systems can still be analog (though more & more, they r digitized). In this narrow definition, F-15E is completely FBW. In the broader definition, systems like INS, PTC, etc r included, so when these system r not digitized, F-15E is not completely FBW by this broader means, & when these systems r digitized, F-15E is completely FBW, just like FBL is not necessarily FBO cuz the gyro might not be using fiber optic. |
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Posted by: A_H_Ch R 05/10/2001, 02:12:18 Author Profile |
hello zz:
where could a find a comprehensive and detailed structure of the FBW.Your reply is really very informative.Thanks a lot. Are u an aeronautical engineer?
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